upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

the conclusion is that thanks to microsoft people became familiar with the PC, and today is unthinkable without a home and not have any complications to make basic tasks, so it is therefore the system evolves to make it easier task that only wants to enjoy it without hassle

[besit]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=joseram2000;162472]the conclusion is that thanks to microsoft people became familiar with the PC, and today is unthinkable without a home and not have any complications to make basic tasks, so it is therefore the system evolves to make it easier task that only wants to enjoy it without hassle[/QUOTE]

Thats right
In 90s there were no other os to install on every pc and start to work immediately. And now ms oses handle so many applications no one else can handle. I use windows not because of difficulties of Linux, no, new distribs of linux are more friendly then win, but I need avisynth, I want more hardware support, I need Zuma, at last. So windows is my choice for now. But I don't like ms novelties - vista and 7. I'd rather prefer if MS will open their sources for a free community may release some open windows. But it's unreal - M$ are too greedy.

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

according to your needs that are professionals.

But who wants a last generation machine needs change, whether or

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=enes;162375]Hey, OK.... TODAY this is facts :) But, we here don't need to talk about Apple vs. MS :)

Does Apple tomorrow be number one - we don't know. I can sure you that No1 will be best OS when we look at price/quality... ;)

And, NOW you can buy ANY OS you want :) I never say that Windows are better or not. I just talking about older PC's, Win XP and Win7 :)

P.S. Viruses - who want to make viruses for OS's with 5% of all potential users. And MAYBE you have some hackers/crackers witch is payed from competition companies? Who knows ;)[/QUOTE]

Ok, there is an Apple section at the forum, I know it.
That's an opportunity to talk about this theme. First we talk about XP to Win 7, then we talk about old and new computers, after we talk about new generation of computers, pc tablets and finally we talk about Apple.
But I think the answer to our asker user has been answered.
Future will tell us.
Regards.

[enes]

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[QUOTE=besit;162501]But I don't like ms novelties - vista and 7. I'd rather prefer if MS will open their sources for a free community may release some open windows. But it's unreal - M$ are too greedy.[/QUOTE]

OK.... Everyone has a choice... does he need new Windows or not. :)

I wondering - why M$ will open their source?! Does they got anything with that? I think NO, and that's his choice... Everyone wants to make money - if they can - many money. I understand that. If I don't want to give him my money for Windows, I use another OS or use cracked ver. :cool: But, why 95% peoples still use Windows even if we must pay to use it?! Because it's shit?! Hmmmm, interesting :) We want to use sh%t if we have same or even better OS for free? :) Also, why so many peoples give M$ money for his Windows?
That is a questions, and ALL of us have answers.... For me, M$ doing great job, and know how they should sell his products. GOOGLE is another great example how companies needs to work. Google is one of practical examples what competition should do - give us better (or similar) products and with good marketing, who want to pay for something, if we have free or cheaper products....

Does M$ greedy? I think they not. Just knows doing his job... in every way...

[findeciclo]

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[QUOTE=enes;162583]OK.... Everyone has a choice... does he need new Windows or not. :)

I wondering - why M$ will open their source?! Does they got anything with that? I think NO, and that's his choice... Everyone wants to make money - if they can - many money. I understand that. If I don't want to give him my money for Windows, I use another OS or use cracked ver. :cool: But, why 95% peoples still use Windows even if we must pay to use it?! Because it's shit?! Hmmmm, interesting :) We want to use sh%t if we have same or even better OS for free? :) Also, why so many peoples give M$ money for his Windows?
That is a questions, and ALL of us have answers.... For me, M$ doing great job, and know how they should sell his products. GOOGLE is another great example how companies needs to work. Google is one of practical examples what competition should do - give us better (or similar) products and with good marketing, who want to pay for something, if we have free or cheaper products....

Does M$ greedy? I think they not. Just knows doing his job... in every way...[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. Microsoft WILL NEVER open Windows Source. Windows is one of their main products. And Microsoft is not a NGO or ONG (Not Goberment Organization) to help us without compesation.
For open source code we have Linux, it is freeware, and there are many versions for each user.
On the other hand, I think as I have told before, Microsoft must change their targets, or they will be eaten by competitors.
I wan't to waste my money for nothing, but perhaps, nearly we will pay for everything, perhaps, who knows it?
Regards.

[besit]

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[QUOTE=enes;162583]But, why 95% peoples still use Windows even if we must pay to use it?! Because it's shit?! Hmmmm, interesting :) We want to use sh%t if we have same or even better OS for free? :) Also, why so many peoples give M$ money for his Windows?[/QUOTE]

I will answer.
in the beginning it was very easy to use pirate copy of windows. It was in every corner, on every market. MS never did nothing to stop piracy. The were trying to catch us, so they did.
We begun to think, that PC is Windows PC.
When this happened, MS begun to force everybody to pay for windows.
On the other hand fresh distribs of Linux are very friendly and powerful and free.
So why we use that shit?
1. It comes with every new notebook.
2. It's well known
3. It's easy to crack.
4. Since we use windows a great number of applications were written, with no analogs for Linux. Example - I work with digital video, and I don't know how to do it without avisynth. It was written for win and there's no live linux version.
5. In the companies it's very hard to move from system to system and if you use Active directory and MS exchange, you just have to use windows and ms office on workstations.
There many other reasons.
Like this.

[findeciclo]

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[QUOTE=besit;162621]I will answer.
in the beginning it was very easy to use pirate copy of windows. It was in every corner, on every market. MS never did nothing to stop piracy. The were trying to catch us, so they did.
We begun to think, that PC is Windows PC.
When this happened, MS begun to force everybody to pay for windows.
On the other hand fresh distribs of Linux are very friendly and powerful and free.
So why we use that shit?
1. It comes with every new notebook.
2. It's well known
3. It's easy to crack.
4. Since we use windows a great number of applications were written, with no analogs for Linux. Example - I work with digital video, and I don't know how to do it without avisynth. It was written for win and there's no live linux version.
5. In the companies it's very hard to move from system to system and if you use Active directory and MS exchange, you just have to use windows and ms office on workstations.
There many other reasons.
Like this.[/QUOTE]

Besit can you tell us the many other reasons?;)
Regards.

[enes]

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[QUOTE=besit;162621]I will answer.
.....
When this happened, MS begun to force everybody to pay for windows.
[/QUOTE]

Maybe you are right, BUT if someone try to force us to pay, and we have something free, MANY users start to use free software... I think this is not right answer... :)

[QUOTE=besit;162621]
So why we use that shit?
1. It comes with every new notebook.
2. It's well known
3. It's easy to crack.
4. Since we use windows a great number of applications were written, with no analogs for Linux. Example - I work with digital video, and I don't know how to do it without avisynth. It was written for win and there's no live linux version.
5. In the companies it's very hard to move from system to system and if you use Active directory and MS exchange, you just have to use windows and ms office on workstations.
There many other reasons.
Like this.[/QUOTE]

1. Not in our country. BUT, peoples don't know to install OS, and some of them want to buy it with OS. Or, buy notebook without OS, and then find someone for install pirated version... :)
2. Well known. And many others use it, so many can show them how to use it.
3. I think that not too easy to crack. That crack are wanted from many millions users, and crackers want to crack it... Many of us would like to drive Porche, Lamorgini if they can... Crackers want to crack most used OS - Windows... Beside, Linux don't need crack :) And Apple OS - little users use it, so if they do that it's not interesting for him... (My opinion)
4. nad 5. THIS is a great problem for others OS.... If we can do EVERYTHING what we doing with Windows, maybe more people will start thinking to migrate to some free OS. Open Office is one of good examples! I know some users who use Open Office instead MS Office. Very similar software with many needed functions. But users want more - like you said [b]avisynth[/b], someone must build similar program for other platforms....

Anyway, M$ knows how they must to do, and make his product best choice in the world!

Like Google now! They doing great job, and I think that they can be real competition for M$.

[QUOTE=findeciclo]Microsoft must change their targets, or they will be eaten by competitors.[/QUOTE]
I think that they already do that. Windows Mobile, and Win8 - whit this M$ try to catch your competition.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english, but I'll hope so that you'll understand what I'm trying to say ;)

[findeciclo]

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Ok, I have understood you. Perhaps you are right. Windows mobile and Win8 can be a reliable Microsoft action.
And so on, apologize for my english.
Regards.

[besit]

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If MS will perform some REAL anti-pirate actions, they will prevent pirate usage of their OS and they will loose the market. So they keep their OSes in easy-to-steal status. 7 is cracked even easier than xp. Apple on the other hand is on the rise. They would beat MS, but they don't need it. Apple is even more greedy than MS, but they don't believe in PC at all. They bet on i-P*Ds. And people approves they are right. (Not me!) Me myself even use windows telephone, with no touchscreen. It's very buggy telephone, with big number of glitches, but it's carrying Allreader for FB2 books and CorePlayer. It's typical situation. Simbian is much better OS for phone than win mobile. But win apps works, simbian - doesn't.
I know, MS won't open their sources, it was just a pink dream. But when some free os will run MS apps - I'll migrate. Maybe wine become stable, who knows?

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

The issue is not whether it is easy to hack or not.
UN inspectors are not going to go door to door to see if they are pirated.
Is to use and so it is becoming more legitimate software companies especially smaller ones, do not have a computer that makes them especially as

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=besit;162812]If MS will perform some REAL anti-pirate actions, they will prevent pirate usage of their OS and they will loose the market. So they keep their OSes in easy-to-steal status. 7 is cracked even easier than xp. Apple on the other hand is on the rise. They would beat MS, but they don't need it. Apple is even more greedy than MS, but they don't believe in PC at all. They bet on i-P*Ds. And people approves they are right. (Not me!) Me myself even use windows telephone, with no touchscreen. It's very buggy telephone, with big number of glitches, but it's carrying Allreader for FB2 books and CorePlayer. It's typical situation. Simbian is much better OS for phone than win mobile. But win apps works, simbian - doesn't.
I know, MS won't open their sources, it was just a pink dream. But when some free os will run MS apps - I'll migrate. Maybe wine become stable, who knows?[/QUOTE]

Besit. It is difficult for any new operating system can run Microsoft applications, because Microsoft would report immediately to the new operating system.
Something similar to what Apple has done with Samsung in Germany, where courts have decided that the tablet pc Galaxy is a copy of Ipad and has banned the sale in that country.
So I guess that will be difficult for a new operating system to run Microsoft Windows applications without denouncing it.
For new systems we have Linux, (Open Source Unix based) that is evolving every day but the day that Linux will be able to achieve a similar performance and interface to Windows, then Windows must change.
However Windows operating system is not closed and locked, because each version can be cracked easily, this thing that probably made on purpose so that your system is the most used.

Regards.

[enes]

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Even if M$ don't want to fight with crackers, or maybe they in purpose let them to do that, M$ have a calculation. If ALL of us use cracked Windows, then where is a profit for M$? They have enough peoples who buy it, and others can use pirated Winodws. So, now, ~95% of us use Win.... Again, they know exactly what doing ;)

[findeciclo]

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[QUOTE=enes;162919]Even if M$ don't want to fight with crackers, or maybe they in purpose let them to do that, M$ have a calculation. If ALL of us use cracked Windows, then where is a profit for M$? They have enough peoples who buy it, and others can use pirated Winodws. So, now, ~95% of us use Win.... Again, they know exactly what doing ;)[/QUOTE]

I'm sure, you are right 100%, because Windows is not the only one product from MSoft, there are a lot of software, and hardware made for Windows that is surelly a bussines let crackers do their job.
Regards.