upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[ffarrib]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=findeciclo;161432]I mean that if we are thinking about migrate to Win7 is because our computer is XP based, surelly.
Ok this forum is about Sat tv, and so on, I think the user that have asked the first post question watchs sat tv trought computer sat receiver.
So I continue thinking XP in this computer is better than 7.
I think Win 7 don't must be killed, no, but why we must change XP for Win7 to watch Sat TV because compatibility of our hardware with 7 drivers.
Install a new O.S. is not only inserting the OS disk into our DVD reader unit, no, is time lost, is looking for new drivers, is try our hardware sat receiver for pc and see if it works fine.
A lot of things, that by now, for me are not very useful.
Another thing, is purchase a new windows 7 based computer. Then you must go on with your new computer and try your old hardware pc sat receiver and fix all the bugs you find.
The future is wellcome, but when it is needed.
Regards.[/QUOTE]

It seems that you are disagree with advance! are you think any engineer in companies like Microsoft waste his time to improve their softwares?

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=ffarrib;161686]It seems that you are disagree with advance! are you think any engineer in companies like Microsoft waste his time to improve their softwares?[/QUOTE]

No, this is not true.
I'm IT, and I know very well all I'm saying.
We are talking about Windows, but the reality, Apple is the best.
Ok, we are talking about Windows.
Today I say to you:
Windows is dead, Microsoft is dead.
Why? Because Apple uses Lion O.S. without virus danger, and a stability that makes you will never format your Mac. This is the true reality.
Ipad2 with iOS5 the same as Iphone4S, is the future, is the present.
PCs or Laptops or netbooks are outdate.
Tablet pc are the only future and it is here to stay.
Portability, touch screen, apps store, connectivity, etc...
Google have the android o.s. for the rest of tablet pc.
And windows, microsoft what?
Nothing, the future is microsoft purchase Google or Google purchase Microsoft, in order to fight against Apple.
This is the reality, so Win7 is past, Win8 is past before lawnching, tablet pc is the only future.
I'm saying Microsoft will not give support to nothing nearly, because is outdated.
Windows XP is older, I know very well, but if I have applications running fine under XP and 7 needs antivirus, and need to be formatted from time to time, needs unfragmentation work, all the same as XP, only change the skin, Aero, and no more important changes for real users, for normal users, and I have an old pc made for XP O.S. Why must I change the O.S.?
To get a transparency interface as aero? No thanks, I don't mind the look, I mind the performance, and with an old PC and and almos old pc sat pci receiver as SkyStar HD2, with many bugs and less performance with 7, I prefer windows XP.
If a company have a intranet with Windows NT or Windows XP and the migration to 7 is too high expensive, and at the moment all the operation works fine. Why company must change? To spend a lot of money to change the skin of their O.S.? If the company hardaware is old, then they must change O.S., change hardware, this is not a good option.
If I have got a last generation PC or laptop, OK, Win 7 is the only one option, but remember, Windows 7 is Vista based, with less bugs than Vista, but is too slow with old pcs, and If my old PC is working fine. I don't want to spend my money purchasing a new one.
The world is in crisis time, people can not spend the money to have a new pc if the old pc works perfect.
The future is tablet pc, Ipad2, is here to stay and Microsoft only wait and wait, there is no changes version after version of O.S.
New tablet are iOS5 or Android based, as mobile phones, so Where is Microsoft?
Windows is dead. iOS5 is a Apple property and Android is the option for the rest of manufacturers. And Microsoft do nothing.
So people thinking Win7 is modern, advanced, new, is wrong. Because a new generation is here to stay.
This is the real last generation, and not Microsoft Windows, and I insist if the user that opened this thread asked to migrate to Win7, I supouse was because his computer is old and WinXP based, or Vista based, if it is Vista based I prefer XP instead 7, is the same system as Vista, less heavy than Vista but is almost the same O.S., so for my old computer, and watch Sat tv with my PC, XP is the best.
To do another jobs, like Excel, Word, PowerPoint, watch films, listen to the music, etc... ¿What diference exists? I say NOTHING, only the skin interface aspect, and no more. Thats the truth.
I you want future Apple or Android, but not Microsoft, no please, it is outdated, and thousand of app's are available at apple store and at android store. Payment app's and free app's.
I'm not tied to the past, Microsoft is the past.
Regards.

[ffarrib]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

You tell about apple.what is their OS and what can I do to install it in my PC? is anything ok in this OS? tell more please.

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=ffarrib;161744]You tell about apple.what is their OS and what can I do to install it in my PC? is anything ok in this OS? tell more please.[/QUOTE]

OK.
For our Sat receivers pc devices, Apple is not the best option.
That's clair.

Here you can see all advantages of Mac.
(I'm not an Apple ingeneer, only I reply the question)
_http://www.apple.com/why-mac/

And here you can see all advantages of Ipad2.
_http://www.apple.com/ipad/

And the future is the cloud. You don´t need to have all your files into your computer, you will have all your files hosted to the cloud.
What is a cloud?
Is a server for you where you host all your files, and you can access all over the world with any device, an Iphone, an Ipad, a Mac, a PC.
The adventages of a cloud are that you don't have to plug any device to your computer to get the information, your information. If you are working with an excell file, i.e., you will have this document at the moment availabe on any device you have got. So you are working at the cloud, and in that second, you or other person authorized by you can access this file without sending e-mail, or upload to a server as megaupload, or rapidshare. It is working on real time on the cloud.
Apple have developed the Icloud, for their users.
You can learn all that you want about Icloud here:
_http://www.apple.com/ipad/icloud/

So I'm not chained to the past, as someone have said, no, I'm watching the future, but for the user of satlover forum that make the first question of this thread, upgrading from XP to Win7, for this one user, I recommend to go on with Win XP, if he watch tv sat at the computer.

Regards.

And this is my opinion, this is not spam because I'm not working for Apple, is only information. As you can see, I accept new advances and new technologies.
But there is only a truth, and this is the real truth.

Download the Mac system from a pc is not possible. For that you must purchase a physical copy on DVD or pen drive, which are more expensive.
Yes, you can install on PC, but keep in mind that they are Mac operating systems, so they are not compatible with all makes and models of pc components. Some pc's are 100% compatible, others will fail or not work some things, and other models can not even boot.

Yes you can install Lion OS on your pc, the process is called hackingtosh, but beware, it has limitations, can not be in a micro Amd has to be Core 2 duo, Quad-core, core I3/I4/I5 because not work on the rest, it supports not all the pc hardware. Some motherboards cause problems.

Basically the process is a pirated copy of mac and crack unlocker program or a pen drive. This installation system is time consuming and not error free installation or gifts you have to go based on the error which is usually found due to the hardware you have.

If you want a Mac, buy a Mac. A Mac is a different world than PC world.

[besit]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

Very interesting to read findeciclo's posts for I see admin$ are admin$ everywhere.
About MS OSs. Every OS has some dubious novelties and some new bugs. But every time it was something really important that forced us to migrate. from 3.1 to 3.11 to work with LAN. from 3.11 to 95 to raise the bit depth (16-32) to address more mem. For me win95 interface is good enough but I was forced to upgrade to 98 because of USB support. The parallel line of NT OSs worked bad with multimedia. I remember when there were 2 OSs on my pc - 98 for multimedia and 2K for everything else. XP was the first OS which combined functionality of 98 and stability of NT. I was unable to find what Vista will give me but it's miserable interface so I remain on XP. And now I am unable to find what 7 will give me but it's miserable interface.
When MS will stop providing security updates for xp I think I'll migrate from xp. I'm not sure where to go, maybe it will be 7. Maybe it will be Linux. For I'm seek and tired working with cracked soft.

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

I've tried windows 8 beta and I will be a perfect evolution of Windows 7.
The only thing I dislike is the obsession to integrate into the social networking system

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=besit;161777]Very interesting to read findeciclo's posts for I see admin$ are admin$ everywhere.
About MS OSs. Every OS has some dubious novelties and some new bugs. But every time it was something really important that forced us to migrate. from 3.1 to 3.11 to work with LAN. from 3.11 to 95 to raise the bit depth (16-32) to address more mem. For me win95 interface is good enough but I was forced to upgrade to 98 because of USB support. The parallel line of NT OSs worked bad with multimedia. I remember when there were 2 OSs on my pc - 98 for multimedia and 2K for everything else. XP was the first OS which combined functionality of 98 and stability of NT. I was unable to find what Vista will give me but it's miserable interface so I remain on XP. And now I am unable to find what 7 will give me but it's miserable interface.
When MS will stop providing security updates for xp I think I'll migrate from xp. I'm not sure where to go, maybe it will be 7. Maybe it will be Linux. For I'm seek and tired working with cracked soft.[/QUOTE]

From XP to Seven. What differences have we find?
Aero interface, much more RAM Memory till 8 Gb, and no much more changes.
I don`t mind de skin, and if my system don't needs 8Gb Ram memory.....
I prefer go on with XP.
I know we will must change to 7 someday. But perhaps the change will be to linux or iOS5 or Lion or Android.
I agree with you.
Regards.

[QUOTE=joseram2000;162080]I've tried windows 8 beta and I will be a perfect evolution of Windows 7.
The only thing I dislike is the obsession to integrate into the social networking system[/QUOTE]

I respect your opinion, joseram2000, but Why Microsoft is developing a new Windows when 7 is a newbie? Something must going wrong, or not?
I don't like the obsession to integrate so much the social networking into the system.
I enjoy with a good forum instead twitter, or facebook, or tuenti, or similar...
This is a reliable and well done forum where we can say all we are thinking about any topic.
Anyway I know Apple and Google are in advantage in front of Microsoft, becasuse the future are pc tablets, and at the moment, we can not see any action from Microsoft in that direction.

Regards.

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

systems evolve and must be made aware of new technologies is what is

[astice]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=joseram2000;162080]
The only thing I dislike is the obsession to integrate into the social networking system[/QUOTE]

in my opinion it's too invasive...

[besit]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=findeciclo;162082]From XP to Seven. What differences have we find?
Aero interface, much more RAM Memory till 8 Gb, and no much more changes.
I don`t mind de skin, and if my system don't needs 8Gb Ram memory.....
[/QUOTE]

Ability to workout a big amount of mem (more than 3 for OS and 2 for a process) is a matter of bitdepth not of an OS generation. XP64 can address same amount of mem as 7-64.

[ecsbox360]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

if you think thats bad, my employee (sorry cant name them). Has fully integrated its entire HR records into a social network. Admittely its within a closed loop within the company. But the employee are 'forced' to adopt a social networking way of doing this nowdays. we are encouraged thru silly competions to fill in further personal details about ourselves. what we do at weekends etc. pet hates, pets even. there is NO opt out and every employee can see every other employee details. there is no option to block an employee. Its like facepalm for the workplace. I also dislike facepalm.

[joseram2000]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

it makes sense to use a single profile for the company with restrictions

[enes]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

@findeciclo
[IMG]http://media02.hongkiat.com/mac-vs-pc/operating_system_market_share.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE]Who Was More Successful & Why?
It’s no secret; Microsoft dominates the world’s operating systems market. The reason for this domination is simply because; Microsoft designed its operating systems to be compatible with various hardware created by a wide range of computer companies such as Dell, IBM, hp, and Sony, etc.

In the other hand, Apple designed its software for close integration of computer hardware and software, which means it’s not compatible with other computer hardware.

To put it in easier terms; Microsoft sold it’s operating systems to various computer companies, allowing a broad distribution for its operating systems. As a result, Microsoft is more popular than other operating systems in the market. In the mean while, Apple has strictly designed their operating system to fit perfectly in their own hardware.[/QUOTE]

Info: _http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-myth-busting-consumer-guide/


I don't know why we talking about this? Did you want Porche, BMW or Mercedes, it's your choice...

Win7 or WinXP (we here talking about this), I always want to have last OS because it's have many new features and bug fixes. You tell us like THEY want to take from us money to buy new hardware, and Apple don't works with any hardware... and it's hardware are expensive and we need more money to buy it.?!?!

Win7 works well with OLD PC's (about 10 years!!!), and if you have tooooo old PC, then you cannot install Win7 at all.

Like always, if you want to see HD or crystal picture, you must have new TV set or monitor, If you don't have it, you will not get max. performance or quality.

[findeciclo]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

[QUOTE=enes;162250]@findeciclo
[IMG]http://media02.hongkiat.com/mac-vs-pc/operating_system_market_share.jpg[/IMG]



Info: _http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/mac-vs-pc-myth-busting-consumer-guide/


I don't know why we talking about this? Did you want Porche, BMW or Mercedes, it's your choice...

Win7 or WinXP (we here talking about this), I always want to have last OS because it's have many new features and bug fixes. You tell us like THEY want to take from us money to buy new hardware, and Apple don't works with any hardware... and it's hardware are expensive and we need more money to buy it.?!?!

Win7 works well with OLD PC's (about 10 years!!!), and if you have tooooo old PC, then you cannot install Win7 at all.

Like always, if you want to see HD or crystal picture, you must have new TV set or monitor, If you don't have it, you will not get max. performance or quality.[/QUOTE]

Today you are right, but I insist TODAY.
How many pc tablets or smart phones are Windows Microsoft built in based?
Please show me a stadistic graphic for this question.
TODAY Microsoft is the number one.
TODAY.
Apple is too expensive, of course, I don't waste my money too.
But I insist, the nearly future is pc tablets. Laptops, netbooks, PC's are in the last generation. You know this as me too.
The size, touch screen, apps. and battery time are great arguments to be a "switcher", a person that changes Windows by Apple or Android O.S.

You know, I supouse, that Windows needs to be formatted at least 1 time in a year, reallity is more than 2 times. Because of virus, and many more badware. You must defragment the hardisks 1 time each month. A person that never have seen a computer is lost with any Microsoft O.S.
My father, your father probably and many old people have a lot of problems to understand the way to use a PC.
OK, Lion O.S. have integrated antimalware systems inside, so on, the system have like linux, their own app's, and viruses are far from this products.
Apple products are the best quality built in the world. You know you can switch on a Mac for six months without any problems. Without formatting the hard disk, and Ipad2 have 10 hours battery autonomy working with all kinds of applications.
Those O.S. are more intuitive than Microsoft systems, but this thread is about XP and 7.
7 needs more much resources from your PC, that's the thruth.
Aero skin need much more memory and CPU resources than XP.
At many posts here, in this forum we can see many users with a lot of bug with BDA drivers, but XP uses WDM drivers with many less bugs than BDA.
So this is a SAT forum, and drivers for PC SAT devices are WDM in XP, and the most important brands of PCSAT devices built those devices for XP and the creator of this post ask us for upgrading from XP to 7.
For this theme, PCSAT PCI receiver devices I recommend XP again.
And for you, if you don't watch tv at PC, OK, I understand your 7 interesting, but for those devices Win7 doesn't work fine with Win 7.
Can you run an autocad app. in a Windows98 PC with 128 Mb Ram memory?
No.
Can you run an autocad app. in a Win 7 Atom processor netbook, 1 Gb Ram memory?
No.
Is the best option Win7 to run DVBS Viewers with PCSat receivers?
No.
Is Win7 the most advanced Microsoft Windows O.S.?
Yes.
Will be Windows the future O.S. in Mobyle smart phones or pc tablets?
I think no.
Then, who will win the battle?
I think iOS5 and Android O.S.
TODAY Windows is the number one, but Do you remember when the stores sold records and now how many records sold? Do you remember IBM was the number one, the reference, the first pc seller. And today where is IBM as PC manufacturer? Do you remember the vinyl records and music cassettes?
The CD and DVD were a revolution, a new digital technology, OK, now they are obsolete too. Memory cards, Pendrives are the new generation, CD and DVD and Blueray disc are past.

Today a new generation is being born computer science and the future is the miniaturization, portability, robustness, reliability, simplicity, and that, that's not Microsoft.
I respect all your explanations, sure. But if Microsoft does not do something new, better, and also right now, I think he is writing his final days.

For PC SAT RECEIVERS the best option is XP, so on if the PC is old.
For most of the new applications and new computers Win7 is the best PC O.S.
I have said PC, not computer, for PC Win7 is the last generation, but only for PC.

[enes]

Re: upgrading from XP to Win7 ?

Hey, OK.... TODAY this is facts :) But, we here don't need to talk about Apple vs. MS :)

Does Apple tomorrow be number one - we don't know. I can sure you that No1 will be best OS when we look at price/quality... ;)

And, NOW you can buy ANY OS you want :) I never say that Windows are better or not. I just talking about older PC's, Win XP and Win7 :)

P.S. Viruses - who want to make viruses for OS's with 5% of all potential users. And MAYBE you have some hackers/crackers witch is payed from competition companies? Who knows ;)