cardsharing lag?

[icekillah]

i was doing some research on card sharing and wanted to know if any of you guys get lag during card sharing, even with a premium server i would think its only as good as your isp? what do you think will dsl be fast enough to ensure no lag?

[kalpikos]

Re: cardsharing lag?

All depends on the isp provider you are and of course the quality of the premium server.
The speed of your connection is not only the main factor that can allow or not a succesfull card sh@ring.
The ping time is a very important factor as whell as the package you want to watch.There are packages that can work easily on cs and some difficult packages.

[Satphoenix]

Re: cardsharing lag?

The main problem is the server and it's (too heavy) usage.
If the server is overloaded by to many ecm-requests from different users at the same time, the answering-times can rise to more than a second and some providers get glitches and short freezes.
Normaly your dsl-internet provider is not the problem.

[KVF1966]

Re: cardsharing lag?

usually the DSL connection is enough for continuous watching tv and you can watch tv
without freezing

[icekillah]

Re: cardsharing lag?

ok cool thanks for posting just out of curiosity if its one master account that is updating the "lechers" wouldn't it be easier to just multicast the signal? wouldn't that bring the bandwidth down tremendously? how would you rate satlover's premium server? im new to this and don't mind shelling out the dough but it has to work reliably

[herrr]

Re: cardsharing lag?

ok cool thanks for posting just out of curiosity if its one master account that is updating the "lechers" wouldn't it be easier to just multicast the signal?

I think I didn't understand...because you must be jocking, if you mean streaming audio/video.
cs needs instead really little band, only speed.
Anyway, I was making some search for you, cause there was a lot of discussions about those things, you can try with "ping", here is something:

http://www.satlover.eu/forum/oscam-configuration/49248-slow-ecm-times.html

[Satphoenix]

Re: cardsharing lag?

...wouldn't it be easier to just multicast the signal? wouldn't that bring the bandwidth down tremendously?

how would you rate satlover's premium server? im new to this and don't mind shelling out the dough but it has to work reliably

You only have a very small traffic: A few byts ecm-request (includes the crypted-cw) to the server and as answer to your receiver the decrypted-cw.
But what you call "multicast" indirectly exists, because some servers keep the decrypted-cw in ram to give a faster answer (e.g. newcamd).

About satlovers premium server I always heard positive reactions.

[icekillah]

Re: cardsharing lag?

ok bear with me im new to this but do have a background in networking what i meant by multicast was instead of "leacher" receivers asking for a new "password"/encryption key every 2-5 seconds the server would just send out the new "password/key" every 2 seconds but it would send it out to everyone at the same time. i guess that would only work if the key was the same to all subscribers, looks like i got some reading to do

[Satphoenix]

Re: cardsharing lag?

...the server would just send out the new "password/key" every 2 seconds but it would send it out to everyone at the same time. i guess that would only work if the key was the same to all subscribers, looks like i got some reading to do

Mostly:
The server receives your ecm-request and sends it to a connected card. This card gives the answer to this request (decrypted cw) and this answer is sent back to your receiver which decrypts the audio-/videostream with this cw (in the csa-algo).

Sometimes:
Your ecm-request is just answered (e.g. half a second before) by another server-user (who watches the same channel ) and the server has kept the answer in ram. Now no new card-answer is necessary and you receiver gets the already decrypted cw. This often happens while football-matches...

[skytec]

Re: cardsharing lag?

how would you rate satlover's premium server?

I do not have satlover's premium server, but Satlover Server One working perfectly.

[herrr]

Re: cardsharing lag?

ok bear with me im new to this but do have a background in networking what i meant by multicast was instead of "leacher" receivers asking for a new "password"/encryption key every 2-5 seconds the server would just send out the new "password/key" every 2 seconds but it would send it out to everyone at the same time. i guess that would only work if the key was the same to all subscribers, looks like i got some reading to do

There were similar servers "broadcasting" directly ever changing CW (control word)...but that could work only for one channel at a time

[Satphoenix]

Re: cardsharing lag?

There were similar servers "broadcasting" directly ever changing CW (control word)...but that could work only for one channel at a time

What servers do you mean?

Newcamd- or mgcamd- servers or "special/privat" servers for "internal" users?

[herrr]

Re: cardsharing lag?

What servers do you mean?

Newcamd- or mgcamd- servers or "special/privat" servers for "internal" users?

I don't remember how they used to call them:
They continously (like icekillah suggested) used to send to people connected the changing CW of one channel (I remember novacinema 1 and Dorcel TV)
Client was implemented in vplug: if you had a card like Skystar you could use it directly, or you could instead interface decoder to your pc...stone age...

EDIT:

It was called DCW s*aring:
Take a look at this link still active, even download is active and you can see config file:
_http://www.skystar.org/comment.php?dlid=76&ENGINEsessID=f821d7473481e2fc4 658761b36ecacb8

[gianni253]

Re: cardsharing lag?

What servers do you mean?

Newcamd- or mgcamd- servers or "special/privat" servers for "internal" users?

They are just web servers, (yes, web ...).
A progdvb plugin can connect to this web server and grab dcw for a given channel (only one channel)

[ProgSkEEtO]

Re: cardsharing lag?

Actually i had the same issue but, because of the fact that many people are using this it will be laggy sometimes, you can get around this by editing your prio file and so on, but that solves just a bit.