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**gianni253** · 06-06-2013, 07:08 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Your ecm times are showing that 90% it's not a hop1 server.
Ping time is useless because ping udp packets go straight to your server but ecm requests have to travel across more servers behind your server.
Sorry but I don't know much about oscam4tools or oscamymod but my guess is about the different way they manage card priorities ... trying first to decode with internal emu, and then with cs server (and here is the origin of delays).
Why not a pure oscam ?

**mmoloch** · 06-06-2013, 07:58 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

The receiver has a sh4 cpu, only supports oscam.sh4 versions, many versions only work on enigma2 and I have to use Spark because enigma2 gives black and white image (problem of tv), have tested several versions but all have some problem.

I've read that the receiver supports some old versions of pure oscam but still have not tested any, there is any good old version?

**gianni253** · 06-07-2013, 05:04 AM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by mmoloch

... there is any good old version?

svn3144 aka v1.00 is dated 2010-09-21 and is considered a milestone in old oscam versions.
I would give a try ...

**Satphoenix** · 06-07-2013, 10:04 AM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Often you only have the chance to check it indirectly.

Too long answer times for ecm requests (which mean glitches or freezes) are a possibility.
Many free servers are often hop1 fakes.
Or the "problem child" nds gives a good indicator for that.

**herrr** · 06-07-2013, 10:08 AM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by Satphoenix

Often you only have the chance to check it indirectly.

Too long answer times for ecm requests (which mean glitches or freezes) are a possibility.
Many free servers are often hop1 fakes.
Or the "problem child" nds gives a good indicator for that.

As a matter of facts I don't agree that ping doesn't matter, as someone said before: it's very useful to compare ECM and ping times.

**gianni253** · 06-07-2013, 02:00 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by herrr

As a matter of facts I don't agree that ping doesn't matter, as someone said before: it's very useful to compare ECM and ping times.

Ping matters as long as it's time is too long: in this case you will have bad results anyway.
But if it is very fast it doesn't mean you will have fast ecms, because you don't know how many hops is your "real" cs server far.

**herrr** · 06-07-2013, 02:24 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by gianni253

Ping matters as long as it's time is too long: in this case you will have bad results anyway.
But if it is very fast it doesn't mean you will have fast ecms, because you don't know how many hops is your "real" cs server far.

All what you say is obvious...
But we were not talking about what's matter to see good TV...

but how to find out if there is a fake, and ping matters for accounting.
I meant that the only way to be sure if hop1 is a fake is to evaluate net time (without the amount you can measure with ping).
If this is unbelievable as ECM response time, so there is a fake.

**runmo** · 06-07-2013, 04:41 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

keep it to the subject please, thank you

**mirny** · 06-07-2013, 06:18 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by mmoloch

[reader]
label = 1
protocol = cccam
device = ----------------
key = 0102030405060708091011121314
user = --------------
password = ---------
reconnecttimeout = 8010600
group = 1
cccversion = 2.1.4
cccmaxhops = 2
cccwantemu = 1
ccckeepalive = 1

just a litlle corection cccam protociol dont use a key, deskey is for newcamnd protocol,so you can delete that line

**Satphoenix** · 06-07-2013, 07:50 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Mostly there are many cards connected to a server. If a few of them answer very fast, they are mostly on hop1, if others of them answer very slow, although the are declared as hop1 the chance is big, that hop1 a fake on this cards.
Thats what I meant with indirect.

**SatWaveDude** · 06-08-2013, 12:14 AM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

I dont understand how a fake can be show as a hop1, it normaly shows up as a hop2 or do I get this wrong?

**gianni253** · 06-08-2013, 08:10 AM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by SatWaveDude

I dont understand how a fake can be show as a hop1, it normaly shows up as a hop2 or do I get this wrong?

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This is something really unfair that should never be done.
So, as mmoloch pointed out, you can't trust the hop information and have to investigate further with ping and ecm times to understand if it is a fake hop1

**SatWaveDude** · 06-10-2013, 02:13 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

is there no such protection against this?
so we have to whatch the ecm rates to find out if or not it is fake!

**gianni253** · 06-10-2013, 02:49 PM

Re: how to detect fake hop1?

Originally posted by SatWaveDude

is there no such protection against this?
so we have to whatch the ecm rates to find out if or not it is fake!

AFAIK no protection.
Ecm time analysis, combined with ping responses, is the only way to know.
That's why you should trust only well established and good reputation servers (such as Satlover !

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