The nova-problem

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

n0va gr had less subscribers than those who use cs...

OK, that's a reason to accept. Although I could imagine it was very expensive for them.
I didn't know about that large amount of cs in greece. In that case it's a reaction because of critical circumstances and understandable.

Larger providers in europe have (e.g. in germany) more than 2,5 million subscibers, so that this "nova-problems" will not really influence the market.

[kostis]

Re: The nova-problem

OK, that's a reason to accept. Although I could imagine it was very expensive for them.
I didn't know about that large amount of cs in greece. In that case it's a reaction because of critical circumstances and understandable.

Larger providers in europe have (e.g. in germany) more than 2,5 million subscibers, so that this "nova-problems" will not really influence the market.

Yes another problem for N0va was Cyprus island were by law they could not sell the n0va gr because of nova cy! the problem was that n0va cy could not offer them the greek channels (ant1, star, alter etc) so all Cypriots prefair to use cs for 1/3 of the money and more channels at the same time.

[Arbiter]

Re: The nova-problem

Here at the middle east we also get Nova via cs and i can assure you that there is more than 2 million people receiving Nova on cs server

[kontoni]

Re: The nova-problem

Here at the middle east we also get Nova via cs and i can assure you that there is more than 2 million people receiving Nova on cs server

actually dear arbiter i guess you write on past time

they were 2mln people in the past but no more right?

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

A short (economical and technical) and question about novas pairing:

Did they have to change all cards and receivers to do this or was there only a software-update nessecarry on the most receivers?

And before I forget: Two mollion cardsharers? This would mean hundred thousands of cards in servers?!

[kontoni]

Re: The nova-problem

A short (economical and technical) and question about novas pairing:

Did they have to change all cards and receivers to do this or was there only a software-update nessecarry on the most receivers?

And before I forget: Two mollion cardsharers? This would mean hundred thousands of cards in servers?!

they made soft update by restricting irdeto chip level rights of share to 1

like digiturk made two years ago with irdeto safety level.

they did not change boxes but made them no other option to watch

also made useless non approved boxes with pairing each box with chip's logical gates encryption capability whith this soft rights level upgrade and only newer packages boxes can handle it.

i guess it was possible with newer models (pace ) of this package for long time but was used only on hd sector of channels and now extended to sd pack

as for 2million this is totally hypothetical nobody knows that

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

...restricting ... chip level rights of share to 1...

But this would mean that sharing should be possible with one channel - the actual switched channel which uses the actual cw - when you get in the cam-card comunication and this cw should be possible to share??!

[kontoni]

Re: The nova-problem

But this would mean that sharing should be possible with one channel - the actual switched channel which uses the actual cw - when you get in the cam-card comunication and this cw should be possible to share??!

let me clear this in case it was written not perfect expression

by this i mean they have paired encrypted key on each package box logical gates level.

there is no easy way to extract from logical gates key.

actually only if there is some bad programming or so like a defect on encryption process.

only time shows if everything is ok or curcumvention possible.

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

Only for understanding, pairing means, that the card and the cam use an own encryption which only understands this special receiver and all other (connected) receivers can't handle the card answer even if they use it in the same channel as the original receiver?

[herrr]

Re: The nova-problem

As far as I know it means that you can only use a proper decoder, whose hardware plays some role in decoding, like for example decoders of the American Forces Network.

[kalpikos]

Re: The nova-problem

The pairing of the card and the box means that the card can't works on other box.
It's impossible.
A unique key is creating for them and there is no way to find it because it's hidden in the gate of chip.

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

But with equipment like a card doubler (or a special interface) you get directly into the communication between card and cam so that the card answer can be used for sharing for the actually tuned channel. I know this would mean a bit expenditure for only one channel, espeacially in a big server. But it's for the question if it is possible.
Or do card and cam use a "private encryption", which only works with this special receiver and all other (connected) receivers can't do anything with the card answer?

[kontoni]

Re: The nova-problem

But with equipment like a card doubler (or a special interface) you get directly into the communication between card and cam so that the card answer can be used for sharing for the actually tuned channel. I know this would mean a bit expenditure for only one channel, espeacially in a big server. But it's for the question if it is possible.
Or do card and cam use a "private encryption", which only works with this special receiver and all other (connected) receivers can't do anything with the card answer?

dear satphoenix

there is no cam communication on this method simply

for example that is a reason why this package has not offered a solution of certified ci + generation cams to be paired with card and then freely to be used on a compatible receiver of free trade models that nova subscriber would opt for .

[Satphoenix]

Re: The nova-problem

OK, when I understand this correct, the receiverinternal cam and the card do a key-handshake and use a receiver-specific encrypted communication.

In that case, this would mean two consequences:

1.) CS is impossible until this communication-encryption is hacked

2.) The big european providers (e. g. sky_de) can't use this untill they change millions of receivers and this could last a while. And they have only a very small amount of cs-users compared with normal subscribers - so (at the moment) no elementary problem for them.

[KVF1966]

Re: The nova-problem

the customer receives in the office of the company a new access card and receiver, and in another receiver the access card will not work. I correctly understood?