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Signal differences between LNB's

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  • mmoloch
    Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 75

    Signal differences between LNB's

    I've been reading about LNB's and have found several theories that I do not know if they are correct...

    I'm using cheap LNB's in my dishes, Dicom 0.1dB Twin for 9.99€ and Golden Media GM-202 0.1dB Twin for 12€ and read that these cheap LNB's with 0.1dB can only have 0.1dB of noise by cutting the signal strength, also read that only have 0.1dB of noise on the sticker lol

    I have also read that I'll get a large increase in signal strength/quality with a good LNB...

    These theories are correct?... Can I have a good signal increase switching to good LNB's?

    What LNBs recommend?... I need single, twin and quad LNBs.

    I've been seeing these models:

    Inverto Twin Black Ultra 0.2dB Especial Astra 28º - 26€
    Inverto Twin Black Premium 0.2dB - 16€

    Inverto Quad Black Ultra 0.2dB Especial Astra 28º - 30€
    Inverto Quad Black Premium 0.2dB - 20€

    I do not want to pay more than 40€ per LNB and wanted to have a good signal increase compared to the signal I have with my cheap LNB's.
  • digicon
    Experienced Board Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 971

    #2
    Re: Signal differences between LNB's

    Out of all those that are listed the best one to buy would be the Inverto twin Black Ultra it will outperform the others with ease

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    • kalpikos
      Experienced Board Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 7663

      #3
      Re: Signal differences between LNB's

      Hello

      Of course using a good quality lnb you can increase the signal.
      Inverto lnb is a very good lnb, but remember that this isn't the only factor that can influence the reception.
      For example, a good quality cable is a major factor for a good reception, as well as the quality of the sat dish.
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      • KVF1966
        Board Senior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 279

        #4
        Re: Signal differences between LNB's

        how many percent increases signal level expensive LNB compared with the budget inexpensive LNB

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        • rizwan
          Experienced Board Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 844

          #5
          Re: Signal differences between LNB's

          Also consider, how much it cost to Increase the Dish Size, Bigger dish reflect more signals
          Vu+ Solo2
          Dream Box 800HD,
          Neotion 3000, Skystar2, PTCL IPTV
          HP LCD W2338h
          Samsung LED 40 C5000

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          • Mobley3
            Experienced Board Member
            • Jun 2012
            • 722

            #6
            Re: Signal differences between LNB's

            The Inverto black ultra range would be the best ones to go for, there are a number of things which affect the performance of the LNB and the .1db you see bandied about do not mean very much unless you get some reference to work from, gain relative to noise and also the frequency that this figure was measured at. Invest in some decent Lnb's, you will not be disappointed, but, as has been mentioned decent quality cable and time spent setting the whole lot up will also help. A bigger dish will never go amiss either.

            Regards Mobley3


            mobley3

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            • kontoni
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 152

              #7
              Re: Signal differences between LNB's

              dear mmoloch

              a very good lnb in terms of perfomance will give a signal free of pixelations when at the same conditions another less perfoming will not open the same channel on same reception conditions partially or at all.

              but do not expect dramatic changes only marginal signal thresholds can make difference.

              always the most important factor (without underestimating lnb cables accurate alignment etc) is a bigger dish for more demanding receptions

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              • mmoloch
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 75

                #8
                Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                This topic is related to this one: http://www.satlover.eu/forum/install...-strength.html

                I installed a new dish with a motor diseqc 1.2 and lost 12% signal strength and started to have some problems in DVB-S2 transponders. The cable I'm using is RG6 ITED of Iberosat, I know that is not a top quality cable but I think it is a relatively good cable.

                My system:

                Dish 1 - 60cm, Hispasat 30ºW

                Dish 2 - 85cm, Astra1 19.2ºE in the center ; Hotbird 13ºE ; Astra4 4.8ºE ; Astra3 23.5ºE ; Astra2 28.2ºE

                Dish 3 - 125cm, motor diseqc 1.2, catch all satellites with coverage in Portugal between 39ºE and 34.5ºW

                When I installed the motor started to have some problems in the dish 2, three DVB-S2 transponders from Hotbird began to fail, the signal quality is always going from 100% to 0%, I've tried changing the LNB skew and changing the position of the LNB but still fail.

                In dish 2 also had problems on Astra2 28.2ºE, this LNB was to watch just 20 channels from 28.2ºE, before 15 of the 20 channels had 75% of signal strength and 100% of quality, now have 62% strength and 80% quality, I can watch them without problems but 5 of these channels before had 70% strength and 70% quality and now have 56% strength and 50% quality and are always failing.

                The dish with motor all sats have several transponders with maximum signal but in all of them there are some transponders missing, transponders that I know I should get in my location with a 125cm dish. I'm out of Astra 2A North footprint and I have signal in almost all transponders, 60% strength and 50% quality but the channels are always failing.

                For now I'm thinking of buying only 3 good LNB's because I'm having problems only with 3 LNB's, Hotbird, Astra2 and motorized LNB.

                I'll buy two Inverto Black Ultra Twin but also need a quad LNB and I've read that the Inverto Black Ultra Quad is disappointing, is it true?... should I choose another quad model or brand?

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                • empb
                  Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 52

                  #9
                  Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                  I've always found the MTI range and the Inverto range of LNB's to be very good (dare say the best), never tried the Inverto Quad but heard the same bad things (In the sense its not as good as their single or twin), but you prob find it the same with all quads, by design 4 squeezed into the same headend receiving space as 1 or two, isn't going to be as good (despite the fact quads operate differently ie a separate feed for Low/High Band & Horizontal & Vertical, so you can connect multi receivers). So if it was me I would prob still get either an Inverto or MTI quad........
                  "It's All Good"
                  My Kit: Technomate TM7102HD-T2, Spiderbox HD9000, Humax HDCI2000 - Triax Motorised NW UK Ku-Band: 53E - 30W, C-Band: 3.3E,11W. Sky Broadband, Fausto User, Various CAMs, Sky & UPC Direct Cards.

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                  • Mobley3
                    Experienced Board Member
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 722

                    #10
                    Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                    Originally posted by empb
                    I've always found the MTI range and the Inverto range of LNB's to be very good (dare say the best), never tried the Inverto Quad but heard the same bad things (In the sense its not as good as their single or twin), but you prob find it the same with all quads, by design 4 squeezed into the same headend receiving space as 1 or two, isn't going to be as good (despite the fact quads operate differently ie a separate feed for Low/High Band & Horizontal & Vertical, so you can connect multi receivers). So if it was me I would prob still get either an Inverto or MTI quad........

                    Just to clear up a common mistake,you are confusing Quad Band Lnb's with Quatro Band ones, a Quad band is simply that, 4 single outputs, whereas a Quatro Lnb has separate High/Low & H/V switching, Usually the problem with a Quad band Lnb is that the 4 outputs do not have equal performance.


                    Regards Mobley3


                    mobley3

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                    • zoran89
                      Experienced Board Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1618

                      #11
                      Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                      It is better to buy larger cheap dish and cheap LNB then more expensive but smaller.

                      Because you can buy regular good LNB for 10$, and then use rest of the money to buy larger dish.
                      But if you whant best LNB then probably it is Inverto Black Ultra

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                      • joseram2000
                        Board Senior Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 271

                        #12
                        Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                        a plate 120 is faster and reliable at the time to locate satellites, but also occupies more space and leave many communities place

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                        • Teranoz
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2013
                          • 104

                          #13
                          Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                          Maybe you should try a wavefrontier dish with a 1.1 switch instead of a big motorized dish.
                          A motorized dish has to be exactly aligned where a wavefrontier is less sensitive. Add the movement deviation and the movement because of the wind and weak transponders are gone.

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                          • rizwan
                            Experienced Board Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 844

                            #14
                            Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                            A good LNB make some difference on Weak Transponders, but increase in Dish size make much
                            Vu+ Solo2
                            Dream Box 800HD,
                            Neotion 3000, Skystar2, PTCL IPTV
                            HP LCD W2338h
                            Samsung LED 40 C5000

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                            • zoran89
                              Experienced Board Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1618

                              #15
                              Re: Signal differences between LNB's

                              Originally posted by Teranoz
                              Maybe you should try a wavefrontier dish with a 1.1 switch instead of a big motorized dish.
                              A motorized dish has to be exactly aligned where a wavefrontier is less sensitive. Add the movement deviation and the movement because of the wind and weak transponders are gone.

                              Actualy it is quite easy to setup motorized dish. You just need to know your latitude and longitude, and what is your primary satellite.
                              First time I done motorized dish it was perfect i can get from 45E to 30W and I didnt try any more.

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