which equipment is best to install dish

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Thanks.

I want the whole to be as small as possible, so If he leaves the place, he can fill it with the correct stuff(don't know the English term for it).

a plastic **** wil need a bigger whole, unles there is a plastic **** of 7 mm ?

then I need to ful the plastic with silicon **** (so no cold comes in)?

I think I will drill the whole not straight horizontal in the wall, like in you picture, but a little bit diagonal (maybe 2° ?)(so no rains comes in the whole) , I see this as an extra security measure , next to the silicon.

Good idea? (not my idea but found it on another forum)

[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

a plastic **** wil need a bigger whole, unles there is a plastic **** of 7 mm ?

you can cut the cylinder plastic **** longitudinally, to reduce the diameter

ful the plastic with silicon **** (so no cold comes in)?

fill in both ends is a good idea
fill in inside, along the **** is not a good idea

the **** is a sheath to protect the cable, and, if lubricated, avoid cable adherence inside

not straight horizontal in the wall, like in you picture, but a little bit diagonal (maybe 2° ?)(so no rains comes in the whole)

... anyway, if not waterproof, humidity can raises up with capillarity, even with a slope ...
... and a nice drilling hole will look nicer ...

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

so to avoid humidity I can better only fill in one end of the **** (inside the appartement) and leave the other end open.
it is the ouside end that will be a little bit lower then the inside end of the whole. So rain from outside doesn't get in.

Also the cable wil be placed in a way so the raindrops falls of the cable, by making a U form in the cable outside.

[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

i would advice to avoid any tricky solution, and to make both of them waterproof, and insect proof

anyway, when the silicon **** is open, you'd better to use it

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Friend decided to use the flat cable that goes to the window.( i'm gladd )

Is this one good?


What is the difference with the flat coax cable?
And what if it rains?

[gianni253]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Friend decided to use the flat cable that goes to the window....
What is the difference with the flat coax cable?
And what if it rains?

This cable looks very thin and it will surely fit any window.
Of course you must expect some attenuation comparing with a unique cable passing through the wall, but if drilling is not an option ... this is the best you can do.

[Mobley3]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

You should also keep in mind that there will be some signal loss as each connection will affect the signal, if you have a strong signal it should not be a problem.

Regards Mobley3

[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

What is the difference with the flat coax cable?
And what if it rains?

the best choice is coax cable ,without any interruption between lnb and receiver

each contact interferes the signals, and induce signal loss

so that, in your case, i would test the signal power with a long (test) coax cable, going to the dish by the open window, or the open door, to measure the signal ratio,

[lnb]=-----------------------------------=[box]

if ok, then test this long cable with the flat cable added, to test the signal power,

[lnb]=-----------------------------------=[flat coax]==[box]

if ok, then test this long cable with the flat cable added, with such a 5cm long coax cable, to test the signal power,

[lnb]=---------------------------------=[flat coax]==--=[box]

if ok, then and only then, cut the cable

[lnb]=------------=[flat coax]==-------------------------=[box]

then,

enjoy

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

second Last step isn't clear for me. Do you mean that I have to add another 5cm coax cable (5cm is not that long)? together with the lang normal coax cable and the flat cable connected to it? OK, I just see you drawings :-), it's clear now. But why the 5cm coax cable? I'm only going to use the long coax cable and the flat windows cable.

I understand you point, very good to check how much the lost is. I will do it as you said.

One thing,
is this flat coax cable(see picture below) better then the one I showed first (electronic cable or how can I call it)?

Or it doesn't matter? ( as you explained, best is to have one coax cable directly to the STB) So these two flat cables are the same , only maybe the first is thinner than the second?

Will scotch tape help reduce the los of signal (attaced on the added connectors)??

And another question, how do I know if it's ok? how much signal strengh can be afforded to loose?





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[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

I understand you point, very good to check how much the lost is.
... yes that is the objective to this test configuration: test the impact in terms of signal loss of the the flat cable (cable itselft, plus added connectors), on a short distance cable (10cm) before cutting the cable

is this flat coax cable(see picture below) better then the one I showed first (electronic cable or how can I call it)?
... flat coax is not coax anymore
but is a trick to go through the window ...

which is better ?
i really do'nt know, as the introduced signal loss is the sum of the quality of the cable itself (geometry + inner interference + interference from outside + connector + shield (which, by the way may be augmented with aluminum fold) )

i should prefer the one with the shield (white one...), rather than the scotch tape ( ... without shield ...)

And another question, how do I know if it's ok? how much signal strengh can be afforded to loose?
the signal noise ration (snr) is given on the tv screen by the the satbox
so, you read it from the various cable configuration, and then you can compare and choose the best one ...

dm500, enigma1, gemini:

menu >setup >service searchin >satfind

snr : ******--- 95 %
agc : *****---- 90 %

enjoy

[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

also a basic idea:

you can make the window-pass-through lnb cable yourself, at least for test:

just take some aluminium foil, some thin electric insulator, weld it, test it ...

or even better:

just take 20cm lnb cable, take out all the plastics, make it as thin as possible, with the thin electric insulator, weld it, test it ...

the key point to keep in mind is that the geometry (so, the diameter) of the lnb coax cable is the best result from interference analytic analysis

anyway, a strong shield is always a best to have

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Signal is same as without the window cable.

So Its ok. The 3 lnb's ( astra 19 , 23 and hotbird 13) were on the right position from the first try (happy me)

I only need to fix the lnb holder, the lnb itself and the multiblock. But first I want to try to optimize the signal by setting the lnb ( turning them a little bit). As the stb doesnt show % but just a green colour filling the rectangle almost the half of it

I hope this will be no problem.

Thanks for the support and advice!

[aplok]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Signal is same as without the window cable.
good to hear that,
by the way, which type of window cable have you finally chosen ?

So Its ok ... from the first try (happy me)
great, congratulattion
i suggest you to brief us about your method ...

stb doesnt show % but just a green colour filling the rectangle almost the half of it
i don' kwown about your receiver
but it should display somewhere the snr (signal noise ratio) in %

[haramo]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

Signal is same as without the window cable.
good to hear that,
by the way, which type of window cable have you finally chosen ?%

The digital one, (I have give it that name). it's very thin and works great.

So Its ok ... from the first try (happy me)
great, congratulattion
i suggest you to brief us about your method ... %

Well my dish is littel biggger then my friends dish. So I do know how to put the LNB's in order. Then only the distance between the LNB's has to be adjusted (closer to eachother). That's all I did. then the arms dish can be moved towards me, so I could easily remove the multiblock (as I needed to replace one cable (to the switch), that was to short)

stb doesnt show % but just a green colour filling the rectangle almost the half of it
i don' kwown about your receiver
but it should display somewhere the snr (signal noise ratio) in %

I have a red filled rectangle and a green one. the red (or orange) is as good a completely full (strength). the green one is about the quality.
It's a protek 9760 HD.

[pan1300]

Re: which equipment is best to install dish

I have a red filled rectangle and a green one. the red (or orange) is as good a completely full (strength). the green one is about the quality.
It's a protek 9760 HD.

hi haramo

just a little comment: the protek 97xx series aren't very reliable what the strenghth and quality bars concerns ... no worry, but just don't rely on the percentages ...

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