Risks of cardsharing

[bokkie]

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I think I am going to try using a 3g router and buy a payg 3g data sim.
I am curious to see how it would work.
Theoretically it should as mobile broadband has download speeds of up to 8 Mbps. Just not sure of the ping.

[microchick]

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I'm just curious, are there some law in Europe against CS? The law where is written "Cardsharing is illegal"? Here in Russia only thing they can incriminate is copyright law violation. I heard it was a process where some card sharers were charged for having an internet site selling CS services, but not for providing DCWords. As a CS customer you don't break no law at all - you always can say "I just bought this box in the e-market and I don't have no idea why it works".

That's true there is no law about CS. All they can implement is the copyright law. In England if they get suspicion then they will check every single thing. Like all your emails, Your computer hard drive and your bank accounts. It just the way they do the investigation here. I have seen it on Watch Dog. They can retreive all your IP record from your ISP so I think just to say "I just bought this box in the e-market and I don't have no idea why it works?" wont be enough. This is really scary but the chances are minimal.

[besit]

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I'm just curious, are there some law in Europe against CS? The law where is written "Cardsharing is illegal"? Here in Russia only thing they can incriminate is copyright law violation. I heard it was a process where some card sharers were charged for having an internet site selling CS services, but not for providing DCWords. As a CS customer you don't break no law at all - you always can say "I just bought this box in the e-market and I don't have no idea why it works".

[microchick]

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i think local share(in your home network) they cannot see

Sly Uk has about 8 millions customers. How are they going to control everyone's home network. I think its out of their control to keep a check on home network. If they find anyone doing this on their local network, all they will do to send a kind of warning.

[pan1300]

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risk in your house:very small,provider can't see how many channel do you watch simultaneously and how many receivers do you have ...

True, but been struggling here (with in meantime I think 4 providers French+Dutch) with the anti-CS measure to allow max 4 different channels on 1 card at the same time, ok that they can't see how many channels you watch, but technical restriction - has in fact nothing to with the risk, just for info.

[gauloises1]

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risk in your house:very small,provider can't see how many channel do you watch simultaneously and how many receivers do you have
still remains the problem with multiple connections to multiple networks simultaneously---sharing!
As I read the first searched(wanted) is those people who make money from it payservers, like dc + + or p2p (torrent)

[pan1300]

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some comments from my side on your posts:
- about risk: think the risk for using a local (home) network is small
- it's normal that people try with local networks, as there are no alternatives if you have more tv's (here in belgium there's a paid alternative for a second card with a few channels, but that's really not good enough) - so people are some kind of forced to be 'creative' - but pretty sure this is nowhere allowed
- as said: there sadly are some relative effective countermeaseures against CS (eg max. number of channels or changing cards/encryption as microchick said).
- Further keep on positive

[microchick]

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when the company want to earn money, they change the card after few years. Subscriber get them for free and the rest of the world pay for the card. Makes it difficult for cs for few months but can't really stop it completely.

[bokkie]

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I do agree that the server is more at risk than the client, but I still want to take every measure I can to stay safe.
At the moment cs is not widely known to most people, so I think they would rather not go around busting everyone, as this would give it more publicity and make it more known.
The time will come when they'll have had enough and make an example by busting a load of people. Servers, clients, etc.
When that time comes I want to be as safe as possible.
But this is just my opinion.

[duhoki]

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I dont think he ment that it is legal just as an example to make the chance of getting caught minimal. But true i dont think any provider will allow there subscriber to share the card in a local network. What is the border for local network....? etc.etc

[microchick]

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I think its still illegal to shere your card inside the house within few receivers therefore sly uk introduced a multiroom. There is no legal way of cs. Its similar to making copies of your dvds or musci for your friends and family.

[gauloises1]

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CS will be more risky, even for small closed groups (1 privat server 3 clients)?

i think local share(in your home network) they cannot see

[gauloises1]

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I wanted to say that the safest way is the provider card in privider's receiver(married),not sharing,not anything,no dreambox,vu,....
ps. i wonder what will happen with the linux based receivers if ......acta will come

[Triad]

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What do you mean best way is legal way?
In the U.K. if you're a client you're still breaking the law.

gauloises considered legal way like more or less legal. By my understanding, Server is highly illegal activity, and client can do no harm exactly those number of times that server has users. 10, 100 or 1000 times less illegal.
Only reasonable way would be to chase big providers or servers...
Can't allow myself even to think about, what would be to us here if it would come to the scene some day, when ever!!!?

[pan1300]

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What do you mean best way is legal way?
In the U.K. if you're a client you're still breaking the law.

same here (even think everywhere ) - also don't know what gauloises1 exactly meant.
Paysafecard seems a good idea ; don't know if this can be discussed with satlover and what the possibilities are here (is apparently in everyones interests what concerns 'safety')?