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Report: What if there were no BBC?

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  • ojseven66
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 14

    Report: What if there were no BBC?

    Cutting the BBC licence fee would reduce consumer choice and value for money, as well as greatly damaging UK programme producers, says a new RISJ study.

    The 100-page report “What If There Were No BBC Television? The Net Impact on UK Viewers”, launched today, explores what the current UK television market would be like if there were no BBC Television.

    It concludes that, without the BBC, total UK television industry revenue would most likely be reduced, although there is a wide range of uncertainty. Total investment in programmes would be 5-25% lower with investment in new UK programmes likely to be 25-50% lower, which would be a ‘severe blow’ to UK production companies as well as to viewers.

    The report says that these projections are conservative, if anything, since they assume that the BBC ‘crowds out’ some of the investment in programming that would otherwise be made by commercial broadcasters. On balance, the evidence suggests that, on the contrary, the BBC probably forces commercial channels to spend more on programmes in order to attract viewers. If this is correct, losing BBC Television would be even more damaging to viewers and programme producers than the report projects.

    None of the BBC’s critics argue for the BBC to be abolished overnight but, the report says, many want it scaled back without providing any evidence that a smaller BBC would be better for the public. Its analysis suggests the opposite: although scaling back the BBC would not be as bad as abolishing it, it would still have a detrimental effect on UK viewers and producers.

    The authors argue that a future without BBC Television is not just a hypothetical scenario dreamed up by academics. They see it as the logical conclusion of the government’s current ‘salami-slicing’ policy of freezing the licence fee and diverting more and more of it to fund activities outside the BBC’s UK services—while the rest of the market keeps growing. They project that if this policy continues—or even accelerates, as some are advocating—within a generation the BBC will be reduced to a minor sideshow, the UK equivalent of PBS (the Public Broadcasting Service) in the United States.

    The scope of the report is limited in two ways. First, it focuses solely on television. The licence fee also funds other services and activities such as BBC Radio, BBC Online, the World Service, S4C, and broadband delivery. The authors argue that, if there were no BBC Television and no licence fee, these other activities would also need to be cut or another way of funding them would have to be found.

    Secondly, the report is only about the BBC’s impact on the public as ‘consumers’ rather than as ‘citizens’. This means that its contributions to national culture, society, the economy, child development, technology adoption and many other ‘citizenship’ benefits are excluded.

    The report authors are Patrick Barwise, Visiting Fellow, and Professor Robert Picard, Director of Research, both at the Reuters Institute.

    Professor Picard said: ‘Our calculations suggest that without BBC Television almost all UK households would be worse off. They would either have to pay slightly more for slightly less choice or pay slightly less for much less choice. It would also be likely to mean less money being spent on programmes overall, with far fewer new programmes being made, so viewers could expect TV schedules with many more repeats and imports. These projections are conservative, if anything, as they assume that the BBC crowds out some investment in content by commercial broadcasters. On balance, it probably doesn’t.’

    The analysis is based on comparing the UK television market in 2012 with projections of what the market might have been like if there had been no BBC TV and no licence fee. The net impact of BBC TV is the difference between the two. The researchers have developed two different scenarios: one highly optimistic (from the viewpoint of the industry) and the other highly pessimistic. The estimates allow for uncertainties in what effect no BBC would have on commercial broadcasters’ revenue, and uncertainties in the percentage of that revenue they would invest in content in a market without the BBC.
  • fandm
    Experienced Board Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 648

    #2
    Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

    Even if the BBC was shut down the content of tv in the UK could not get any worse,
    And most of the people that say standards will drop are the people that are gaining most by the BBC staying as a public funded institution.
    For the quality of the Uk tv industry to get any lower they would have to dig a hole to the centre of the earth.

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    • Arbiter
      Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 52

      #3
      Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

      Honestly speaking the BBC produces a lot of educational programs, that are truly unique many of the wild life/natural programs are good and when you think about it, costly in terms of production, and arranging the transportation etc, I'm no expert but I would think programs that are of such quality cost a bunch. However, in my opinion some programs are utterly boring, and useless!

      I'd say the license fee should be reduced by introducing commercials to compensate the reduction, that would probably interest more people in paying the fee, and would lower the attention on the BBC.

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      • mahrkpat
        Experienced Board Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 1493

        #4
        Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

        Maybe the bbc will go subscription but will that mean it will go encrypted on satellite?

        Members of an influential panel have suggested that the BBC scraps the licence fee and moves to a subscription service from 2020.

        The Sunday Times reported that the 12 strong ‘centenary review panel’, established last summer by James Purnell, the BBC director of strategy and digital, was set-up to provide an outsiders’ view on the future of the BBC.

        There is no indication as to how any subscription fee might be collected – plans to include a conditional access mechanism in DTT receivers were removed early into the process that established Freeview in 2002.

        Members of the panel included Julian Le Grand, professor of social policy at the London School of Economics; David Elstein, the former Sky, ITV and Channel 5 executive; and Alice Enders, a media analyst.

        The BBC is having to grapple with a five-year freeze in the Licence Fee and additional responsibilities such as the funding of the BBC World Service, previously the subject of a foreign office grant.
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        • thecrazybandit
          Experienced Board Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 768

          #5
          Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

          The bbc make quality drama and wild life programs and i think it would a great loss to the worlds tv if we lost it

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          • bokkie
            Experienced Board Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 1561

            #6
            Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

            I wouldn't want to see the BBC showing commercials.
            The BBC is respected for it's impartiality and quality programming, and I feel that commercials would affect this by cheapening the Corporation.

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            • pan1300
              Experienced Board Member
              • Apr 2012
              • 1663

              #7
              Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

              hi bokkie

              Totally agree with you - here (Belgium) we have some commercial stations, due to that we very rarely watch this channels, really really annoying, surely when one knows there are other channels. Commercials at the start & end of a program are acceptable, as long it isn't during 1 program. My opinion only

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              • rizwan
                Experienced Board Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 844

                #8
                Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                BBC is more than a News service
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                • thecrazybandit
                  Experienced Board Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 768

                  #9
                  Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                  i have just read that bbc i player will be updated to allow for bbc 3 and more

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                  • bokkie
                    Experienced Board Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1561

                    #10
                    Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                    Yes I read the same. Android and IOS willl get new iplayer apps in the coming months.

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                    • fandm
                      Experienced Board Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 648

                      #11
                      Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                      Content of BBC3 tonight
                      7pm total wipeout game show
                      8pm Free Speech a debate on the closing of bbc3
                      9pm Who needs Ibza dross doco drama
                      10pm Ja'mie: Private school girl make your own mind up about how bad it is
                      10-30pm Bad education Funeral school based sickcom
                      11pm for 1 hour Family guy good watchable cartoon But it is made in America not by the BBC
                      12pm American Dad for 1 hour another American made program
                      1am they start repeating the same rubbish they have just shown.

                      where is any content here that is British made that you can call a quality program.
                      All I can say is the sooner it is closed down the better.
                      Signed Grumpy old men.

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                      • f1fan
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 140

                        #12
                        Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                        Why don't you try looking at BBC1 & BBC2.

                        BBC1 7pm The One Show live, 8pm Waterloo Road, 9pm Famous, Rich & Hungry for Sport Relief, 10pm BBC News. BBC2 at 9pm the excellent drama Line of Duty. All BBC original content.

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                        • fandm
                          Experienced Board Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 648

                          #13
                          Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                          I would say those two channels need a good sort out or sending along the lines of BBC3
                          You can't say the one show isn't just cheap tv
                          Waterloo road is just dross its fan club is having a meeting in the phone box at the end of our Road there should be plenty of room
                          rich and famous sounds like another cheap program

                          The news is just the news and you will find it is not all BBC content some of it is gleamed of other channels it says so on some of the reports.
                          Line of duty can't comment never seen it.
                          How all this can be called 1st class production leaves a lot to be seen.

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                          • bokkie
                            Experienced Board Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 1561

                            #14
                            Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                            Originally posted by fandm
                            Content of BBC3 tonight
                            7pm total wipeout game show
                            8pm Free Speech a debate on the closing of bbc3
                            9pm Who needs Ibza dross doco drama
                            10pm Ja'mie: Private school girl make your own mind up about how bad it is
                            10-30pm Bad education Funeral school based sickcom
                            11pm for 1 hour Family guy good watchable cartoon But it is made in America not by the BBC
                            12pm American Dad for 1 hour another American made program
                            1am they start repeating the same rubbish they have just shown.

                            where is any content here that is British made that you can call a quality program.
                            All I can say is the sooner it is closed down the better.
                            Signed Grumpy old men.
                            I watch BBC all the time, but never BBC 3 or BBC 4.
                            Everyone knows that BBC 1 and BBC 2 is where all the best content is shown.
                            This thread is about the BBC not just BBC 3.
                            David Attenborough's wildlife epics, Top Gear (The worlds most watched factual programme), Sherlock, Doctor Who, Luther, Life on Mars, Miranda, Call the Midwife, Panorama, etc.
                            And Don't forget Only fools and Horses, Monty python's flying Circus, the Office, Blackadder and Fawlty Towers.
                            All Top Quality British content on the BBC.

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                            • fandm
                              Experienced Board Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 648

                              #15
                              Re: Report: What if there were no BBC?

                              I agree with you bokkie only fools and horses the best comedy of all time, but now they are only repeats, life on mars was brilliant also ashes to ashes, and even more, you would need all night to write them down, but they are all yesterdays programs,
                              but most of the programs you mention are now old hat and we are paying the BBC to produce new stuff.
                              They still do make some good stuff but you would only get 1 good night a week out of it all.

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