Satellite choices

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Hi microchick, can you provide some links to any material that confirms your statement on relaxing planning permission rules? As far as I can tell the rules are still strick in England, you can only have two aerials on a property (tv & sat dishes both count as aerials) and size is limited to less than 1m. Also you DO need planning permission if it's in your garden, the rules apply whether it's attached to the house or not.

If you can provide documentation that proves otherwise I'd love to see it as if currently breaking planning permission with my two dishes and one tv aerial and it might save me changing my setup.

The below relates to satellite 2 can be installed as well as a TV aerial, I would love to know how these HAM Radio enthusiasts get away with installing what i can only call a high wire trapeze across all 4 corners of there property where is the law for that.

Houses and buildings up to 15m high in designated areas

If your house (or the building in which you live) is in a designated area, you do not need to apply for planning permission to install an antenna on your property, as long as:

there will be no more than two antennas on the property overall;
if you are installing a single antenna, it is not be more than 100 centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);
if you are installing two antennas, one is not more than 100 centimetres in any linear dimension, and the other is not more than 60 centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);
the cubic capacity of each individual antenna is not more than 35 litres;
an antenna fitted onto a chimney stack is not more than 60 centimetres in any linear dimension;
an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower; and
an antenna is not installed on a chimney, wall, or a roof slope which faces onto, and is visible from, a road or a Broads waterway. (If you are not sure, get advice from the local planning authority.)

[f1fan]

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The below relates to satellite 2 can be installed as well as a TV aerial, I would love to know how these HAM Radio enthusiasts get away with installing what i can only call a high wire trapeze across all 4 corners of there property where is the law for that.

Houses and buildings up to 15m high in designated areas

If your house (or the building in which you live) is in a designated area, you do not need to apply for planning permission to install an antenna on your property, as long as:

there will be no more than two antennas on the property overall;
if you are installing a single antenna, it is not be more than 100 centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);
if you are installing two antennas, one is not more than 100 centimetres in any linear dimension, and the other is not more than 60 centimetres in any linear dimension (not including any projecting feed element, reinforcing rim, mounting and brackets);
the cubic capacity of each individual antenna is not more than 35 litres;
an antenna fitted onto a chimney stack is not more than 60 centimetres in any linear dimension;
an antenna mounted on the roof only sticks out above the roof when there is a chimney-stack. In this case, the antenna should not stick out more than 60 centimetres above the highest part of the roof, or above the highest part of the chimney stack, whichever is lower; and
an antenna is not installed on a chimney, wall, or a roof slope which faces onto, and is visible from, a road or a Broads waterway. (If you are not sure, get advice from the local planning authority.)

If you read the earlier section of that document you'll see that a dish and a tv aerial both qualify as an antenna, therefore you cannot have two dishes and an aerial. It's one dish + one aerial or two dishes. Also if your tv aerial is over 60cm in length your dish cannot be bigger than 60cm!

Basically if you want a big dish the rule is, one dish 1m max size with a tv aerial no longer than 60cm OR a 1m dish + a 60cm dish.

I have a 90cm dish + 60cm dish + 1m aerial which is against planning rules, though I've just realised if I move my aerial into the loft I'll be fine!

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If you read the earlier section of that document you'll see that a dish and a tv aerial both qualify as an antenna, therefore you cannot have two dishes and an aerial. It's one dish + one aerial or two dishes. Also if your tv aerial is over 60cm in length your dish cannot be bigger than 60cm!

Basically if you want a big dish the rule is, one dish 1m max size with a tv aerial no longer than 60cm OR a 1m dish + a 60cm dish.

I have a 90cm dish + 60cm dish + 1m aerial which is against planning rules, though I've just realised if I move my aerial into the loft I'll be fine!

Thats the standard planning form for all of GB each individual council will have there own rules, Also any minority groups are allowed a bigger dish over 1m if it is to allow them to receive there own national television broadcast, This is an EU ruling which overrides any Government ruling in the UK and thats a known fact and no council can do anything about it.

[gauloises1]

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Wow that looks an impressive bit of kit, i bet that doesnt come cheap. Seems to do the job though.

you dont have to buy it new,search on ebay,amazon,etc and you dont have to put from first 16 lnb's,you put this month 3-4,next month another and so on.
ps. i bought 1 new but with few scratches in the backside of antena and seller gived me with 63 euro

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@f1fan


Like i say that was a general ruling from the government, i just had a look at mine from my local council. And have highlighted the relevant data, i would suggest people have a look at there own planning council guidelines as mine allows me 2 satellite dishes and a TV aerial.

Legislation/Guidance update for Development Control.
(i) Green Belt direction.
The officers reported that this will require applications in
the Green Belt for buildings of 1000 square metres or
more or any other development which will have a
significant impact on the openness of the Green Belt to
be referred to the ODPM before it can be approved by the
Local Planning Authority.
(ii) Draft PPS3 on housing – this updates planning guidance
on residential development.
(iii) [B]Satellite dishes – enables up to two dishes to be erected
on dwellinghouses and other buildings without planning
permission, subject to size limits[/B].

[f1fan]

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Unfortunately my council in the south of England don't have any additions/exceptions to the national rules. They only direct you to Town & Country Planning Order of 2008.

_http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2362/pdfs/uksi_20082362_en.pdf

As mentioned before, check with your local council. Also the EU statement is not as simple as just saying minorities can do what they want. Take a look at this nice straight forward explanation of what the EU directive really means if you are interested.

_http://www.satandpcguy.com/Site/europe_television_laws_satellite_tv_costa_blanca_s pain.php

[McrRed]

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Also, the rules are quite different relating to ground level installations. You say you're in a bungalow so depending on your circumstances this might be an easy option for you.

[thews34]

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I have a ground mounted dish and whilst you don’t get too many problems with maintenance you may wish to give some thought to access particularly during poor weather which could be an issue.

[microchick]

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As suggested earlier, consider mounting a dish in your back garden. NO need for planning permission ( as long as your neighbour are ok with it), no need for big ladders and no need to take your tv up on the roof. Select a better spot where you have clear visibility of the southern sky. You can spend as much time mounting it as you like as you would be just inside your garden. The manitenance is simple and easy. Don't let you kids/pets play with it

[rikksow]

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Ground mounted is definitely the route i will go down. I have a large garden so space isn't an issue. Persuading the wife its a good idea may be.

[bokkie]

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Ground mounted is definitely the route i will go down. I have a large garden so space isn't an issue. Persuading the wife its a good idea may be.

Hope you don't have any tall trees near the site you intend to locate it.
Line of sight can be more of an issue with ground mounted dishes.

[rikksow]

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Yeah i have a lot of tall trees around the boundary of my property, but i think its gonna be ok as my garden is large and i think line of site is fine.

[microchick]

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May be try to select a higher pole for the ground mount so you can get the whole arc because when you drive the motor towards west the dish is gonna be pointing almost to the ground. The higher mount will give you a better signal from the western satellites.

[toby69]

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not really any need for to high poles,
see hear #13

http://www.satlover.eu/forum/satellite-discussion-english/39885-diseq-1-2-motor-problem.html

recently moved my dish to this position, capable of 39e/30w.

[cgac99]

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I had to put a higher **** for get signal of astra 28.2, it's full of nice tv's and radios.
I Have also 3 others dishes who point to astra 19.2 , hot bird and Hispasat.
in the future i would like to use one of these antenas with 3 or 4 lnb on the same dish , but i wonder if it really work as well as a single dish with a single lnb?