clines in twin receiver

[Satphoenix]

Hello,

how many clines are required in a twin receiver if you want to watch one scrambled channel and record another scrambled channel to hdd (perhaps with a vu+ twin receiver) via cs?
Do I need 1 or 2 different lines in this case?

[duhoki]

Re: clines in twin receiver

If you use satlover cline, i believe it will bann you as the server will get two request from your IP at the same time for difference channels. However when you descramble two channels at the same time i believe the receiver will just send two request (1 session) for the cccam server if no limit set, but its just that you will be using
twice as much ecm's from server.

[KVF1966]

Re: clines in twin receiver

there are server with cline where it is allowed to use double requests, but they are very few, and most of the servers are blocking double requests and therefore either watch or record.

[kalpikos]

Re: clines in twin receiver

Technically you would be able to do what you want with 1 line, but the ecm requests would be higher then normal.
As you understand, you will have problem with that.

On the other hand, when you have more than 1 line, the softcam normally uses the one with the lowest ecm times (quickest connection).
It does not mean that it will automatically use a different one for each tuner.
so, maybe you will have problem and in this case.

I think the best solution is to speak directly with the server holder and he will tell you want can you do.

[Satphoenix]

Re: clines in twin receiver

I ask for technical reason. I want to buy a vu+ duo for my living-room. I have 2 independend sat-connection cables there so I want to use it sometimes like 2 different receivers - one for watching and one for recording.
One cline for both tuners would mean higher ecm-traffic but it might be possible...?
Perhaps a twin receiver owner can tell what happens in that case.
Or must I have 2 different cccams running simultan with 2 different cccam.cfg?

[parsonline]

Re: clines in twin receiver

in sametime clines can connect to 2 server but i think it depend to EMU for compatability in same time for watching and record.

[gianni253]

Re: clines in twin receiver

One cline for both tuners would mean higher ecm-traffic but it might be possible...?

Yes, it is possible ... (but read further ...)

Or must I have 2 different cccams running simultan with 2 different cccam.cfg?

No, just one ccc*am, one ccc*am.cfg, one cline.

The server admin can tell very easily if a user is running two different receivers with a single cline, or if he is using a twin tuner.
The admin needs to read the server log and check the node id related to the user: a single node id for all ecm requests means using a twin tuner.
In the other case (two different node ids), it means using two receivers and "duplicate user *** from ip ***" will trigger a disconnection of the user.

To make it short, you only have to get permission from admin server (maybe he could ask for an extra fee), but it is technically possible and server admin is able to verify what you are saying.

[digicon]

Re: clines in twin receiver

You wont have any problems if you record one premium channel and 1 free to air channel as ECM requests stay the same

[BlueIsMyColor]

Re: clines in twin receiver

And if we use an cline from satlover that could be a problem or not (because of high ecm requests)? Regards

[kalpikos]

Re: clines in twin receiver

And if we use an cline from satlover that could be a problem or not (because of high ecm requests)? Regards

Yes mate
As you said it will be a high ecm request and propably you will have problem.

@Satphoenix
You can't use one cline on 2 different receivers.
The high ecm request or a double login could ban you from the server.

I know people having a box with twin tuner and only one line, but they have made an special arrangement with a little more money to be allowed to use the line on his twin tuner or even on a second box.
But all these are done by the server admin.

[pan1300]

Re: clines in twin receiver

hi guys

@Satphoenix

Basically all the posts above are true, but in your case I wouldn't take the risk - me too expect high ecm-times and problems (ban). Best to play it sure and make sure your server admin confirms you what you can do and what you can't, with possible supplementary costs. One can't be to sure ...

[bokkie]

Re: clines in twin receiver

There are servers which allow you to use their cline in a twin tuner, normally for an extra fee. But only one line is needed.

[Satphoenix]

Re: clines in twin receiver

If you use satlover cline, i believe it will bann you as the server will get two request from your IP at the same time for difference channels...

This is (at this place - I hope so) very simple to be answerd. Perhaps satlover himself or another from the board-staff can answer this special question.

From technical view:
Two different ecm-requests from the same ip-connection at exactly the same time mean that the cw-change of the two channels is also at exactly the same time. Untill now I had no chance to test this.

[runmo]

Re: clines in twin receiver

http://www.satlover.eu/forum/satlover-server-one-free-clines-for-active-members/41458-new-fair-use-policy-for-server-one-and-updated-rules.html

Same for all servers, one Cline use on one receiver.
If not enough info contact satlover for specific support.

[gianni253]

Re: clines in twin receiver

From technical view:
Two different ecm-requests from the same ip-connection at exactly the same time mean that the cw-change of the two channels is also at exactly the same time. Untill now I had no chance to test this.

Even if the two channels you are watching/recording with your twin tuner send two ecm requests at the same time from same ip, it won't be a problem: ccc*am can manage this (serialize the two requests).
But "from same ip" is not enough to say if requests are coming from a twin tuner or from two distinct receivers behind a router ... again, a ccc*am using a twin tuner will appear on the server side as using the same node id for both requests.