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  • RoadBlock2000
    Newbie
    • Jan 2012
    • 6

    Secure CS

    I've read a number of posts around here with comments from people concerned with the ability of their ISP to detect CS data going over their network. This concern is even greater when the ISP is the same company who provides pay TV services.

    My first question is: Can any of the clients or servers work over SSL?

    I’ve had a look around to try and answer my own question but unless someone can tell me otherwise I would say the answer is No.

    I was then having a think about using TOR. The only drawback here is the increase in hops.

    I don’t use any card sharing services across the internet so can’t test this out myself so my second question is: Has anyone configured CS over TOR?

    I think some sort of secure solution would benefit those who are concerned about ‘Big Brother’. Are there any other thoughts out there about this issue?

    One other solution I forgot to mention was the use of a VPN.

    While SSL would work between friends I do not believe that a premium Card Sharing company would invest in a CA signed certificate and more powerfull hardware to cope with the increased load of encrypted network traffic.

    I believe using the TOR network should still be possible if the client software can be configured to use the TOR proxy.

    A VPN to me sounds like the easiest solution. What do you think?
  • digicon
    Experienced Board Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 971

    #2
    Re: Secure CS

    the Packets size and what is sent would be very hard to trace anyway, And the manpower and resources to do it not only would be immense but also very costly for any provider willing to undertake it.

    You can imagine a single provider may have over 4-5 million broadband customers to monitor every single one and trace packets is just not feasible and also smacks of invasion of privacy laws.

    I know which provider your talking about and have heard and seen many people using it for a very long time without any problems, Obviously the correct solution is to find another provider as soon as your contract is up. This seems to be the most logical solution all round.

    But let us not forget nothing is safe even if done over SSL it can all be traced back somewhere if needed.

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    • bokkie
      Experienced Board Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 1561

      #3
      Re: Secure CS

      I know where you're coming from,i'm also considering going the vpn route.
      The way i see it is, at the moment cs is still unknown to the majority of people.
      if providers had to start prosecuting clients over it, cs would get more publicity and thus become more widely known.
      But i think the day will come when they want to make an example and prosecute a few people.
      So just to be safe, i am changing providers and i think i will be going vpn route as well.

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      • RoadBlock2000
        Newbie
        • Jan 2012
        • 6

        #4
        Re: Secure CS

        Digicon, I agree that monitoring such activity would be extremely costly & from a legal perspective I'm sure that 'receiving data' (CS or otherwise) does not constitute an illegal activity. Using that data to obtain services you are not entitled to would however be theft. Just like the TV License dodgers, I believe you would have to invite an inspector into your home for them to witness such a crime before any action could be taken against you.

        Despite what I have just said it is better to be safe than sorry & I still believe that the secure transmission of any data over a public network must be the first step to take if you have anything to hide or not. Bokkie, I'd be very interested to hear your feedback on the VPN option if you every get to try it out!

        The distribution of CS data is a totally different story, especially if done for profit. I think the premium CS services are taking big risks but maybe the law where these services are hosted has a different view from that in the UK?

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        • bokkie
          Experienced Board Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 1561

          #5
          Re: Secure CS

          Originally posted by RoadBlock2000
          Digicon, I agree that monitoring such activity would be extremely costly & from a legal perspective I'm sure that 'receiving data' (CS or otherwise) does not constitute an illegal activity. Using that data to obtain services you are not entitled to would however be theft. Just like the TV License dodgers, I believe you would have to invite an inspector into your home for them to witness such a crime before any action could be taken against you.

          Despite what I have just said it is better to be safe than sorry & I still believe that the secure transmission of any data over a public network must be the first step to take if you have anything to hide or not. Bokkie, I'd be very interested to hear your feedback on the VPN option if you every get to try it out!

          The distribution of CS data is a totally different story, especially if done for profit. I think the premium CS services are taking big risks but maybe the law where these services are hosted has a different view from that in the UK?
          I am busy looking into it and have asked the question in the Vu+ Duo section. Hopefully someone will help me out.
          There is an openvpn option on the blackhole 1.7.2 image but not sure how to configure it.
          Also not sure how it would work as I think openvpn is quite processor hungry.

          There is also the option of a dd-wrt router which allows you to configure the router so that the the traffic is tunneled through vpn in the router, rather than on your pc. It is also an open source router so you can play around with it a bit more.
          Hopefully I'll come up with something

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          • limitator
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 12

            #6
            Re: Secure CS

            I came accros this article and think you may be interested (****** translate):

            Three arrested in Poland due to CS.

            Police officers from the department for economic crime in Polish city Szczecinie arrested three men who carried out the illegal distribution of pay-TV channels. Police had earlier received information that the person appeared to illegally distribute the most popular pay-TV channels - CS. Polish police carried out this action in late October this year. Arrested are aged between 39 and 53 years. Police said they performed illegal activities such as installers of satellite equpment. After arrest police conducted a search for equipment that is by finding seized as illegally modified receivers.

            In one of the apartments police officers seized the server for illegal distribution of pay-TV channels that had been hidden in the floor. It turns out that the server can access the remote server so that in case of police action could be turned off. Arrested men violated the provisions of the Law on the Protection of electronically supplied services and threatened one year in jail.

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            • herrr
              Experienced Board Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1080

              #7
              Re: Secure CS

              Originally posted by limitator
              Szczecinie arrested three men who carried out the illegal distribution of pay-TV channels. Police had earlier received information that the person appeared to illegally distribute the most popular pay-TV channels - CS.
              There were in last years a lot of similar examples in Italy and Spain...
              But you must notice that, as far as I know, to be prosecuted were very big physical organizations, supported by shops and so on...something "professional" ...

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              • bokkie
                Experienced Board Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 1561

                #8
                Re: Secure CS

                These were obviously big pay servers. I Think they would rather cut off the head of the operation than spend huge resources tracking down the subscribers.

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                • digicon
                  Experienced Board Member
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 971

                  #9
                  Re: Secure CS

                  No huge resources needed all Ip's are available to the authorities if they so wish whether people try and hide behind VPS/VPN or not people can still be traced very easily and at very little cost.

                  There is only one sure fire way of not getting caught, dont do it in the first place

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                  • bokkie
                    Experienced Board Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1561

                    #10
                    Re: Secure CS

                    It still requires manpower and cooperation of isp's. Subscribers are from many different countries as well, requiring cooperation between the authorities of the various countries.

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                    • pan1300
                      Experienced Board Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 1663

                      #11
                      Re: Secure CS

                      indeed, theoretical possible (and for authorities relativelty easy - I know) to hunt all subscribers, but practical not so easy (as bokkie says: manpower, cooperation different countries, providers, ...) - but ... always a chance ...

                      No risk, no fun

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                      • microchick
                        Experienced Board Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 1162

                        #12
                        Re: Secure CS

                        All the IP information are stored in the ISP's and they are completely capable to tell what was the activity on a particular IP eg 25th july 2007 at 17:51. Its only possible if the big corporations like (Murdochs) step into it to provide resources to the police.
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                        • mahrkpat
                          Experienced Board Member
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 1493

                          #13
                          Re: Secure CS

                          This is a quote from ofcom:
                          The communications regulator has today revealed that 47% of UK internet users are unable to “confidently identify” whether the online content they download, stream or share is legal or not. Meanwhile some 16% of users aged 12+ said they had “accessed online content illegally” between May to July 2012.
                          With so many people using the internet for piracy the people that use cs must be like a drop of water in the ocean, I think they would target the pay servers and not the consumers, but one can still increase personal anonymity by switching box of when not watching
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                          • digicon
                            Experienced Board Member
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 971

                            #14
                            Re: Secure CS

                            Originally posted by mahrkpat
                            This is a quote from ofcom:

                            With so many people using the internet for piracy the people that use cs must be like a drop of water in the ocean, I think they would target the pay servers and not the consumers, but one can still increase personal anonymity by switching box of when not watching

                            Dont lull yourself into a false sense of security as the saying goes, CS is rife everywhere and all the major providers know this, There is also something on the cards for a certain UK provider and its HD channels watch this space

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                            • herrr
                              Experienced Board Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1080

                              #15
                              Re: Secure CS

                              Originally posted by digicon
                              Dont lull yourself into a false sense of security as the saying goes, CS is rife everywhere and all the major providers know this, There is also something on the cards for a certain UK provider and its HD channels watch this space
                              I must say that I was only reporting what happened until now, and not saying what is wrong or right...
                              At least in Italy until now were prosecuted people involved in situations, how to explain, of public scandal: shops where they gave you decoders ready on a particular server...some of the costumers don't even know how it worked...
                              Or pubs where you pay to watch football and sometimes they have not regular cards (anyway you can't do this even if you have a personal regular subscription...)

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