Risks of cardsharing

[topman96]

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i am sure payservers would get far more severe punishment than some one free sharing like drug dealers if for own use not to bad punishment but if selling more severe

[musogeek]

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an IP is traceable, but procecuting has to be cost effective, so it is probably not in the best interest to procecuse those who share or subscribe to sharing. It is like drug takers and drug dealers. I am not sure if the question could be answered because there is little or no accounts of people being procecuted for the end user part of the activity.

[satfan]

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The card sharing provider will certainly know your ip

[superhefty]

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i have friend, somebody enter is data to a expensive Internet site and after trial he should pay for that. he made a complaint at the police with the IP he gets from that site.

the policy told him, that nothing is saved. this was one year ago.

Please understand that there are differences between civil right and a criminal investigation.
If a copyrightholder has an IP and ask a Provider during the first 7 Days after logging, he will normally gets the Name and Adress.

Is it allowed to post a link to a comment of a lawyer about this theme?!
If not I will send it via PM if somebody is interested in german law


@es***man
This is in most cases no problem.

hefty

[Jerry2020]

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what would happen to the client connected to a card server i am curious to know this and i havent seen the answer yet

What do you mean?
Who are you talking about?
U mean legally, what do they do if they catch him

[essexman1971]

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i've been watching for months now,i have had no come backs

[nebula2008]

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what would happen to the client connected to a card server i am curious to know this and i havent seen the answer yet

[johi]

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i have friend, somebody enter is data to a expensive Internet site and after trial he should pay for that. he made a complaint at the police with the IP he gets from that site.

the policy told him, that nothing is saved. this was one year ago.

[superhefty]

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in germany it is not allowed to save IP data at the moment.
they must get you just in time, you are conneted and ask the provider for the user, but so quick they will not get a response

This is definitely NOT correct.

There are two Pools of logged IPs. The first Pool "Vorratsdatenspeicherung" (saved for 6 moth) is illegal said the highest german court.

in the second Pool are IPs that were logged for billing and creating error logs.

Ips for the second Pool are still saved and can be requested by copyrightholders.´This is regulated by a german law (§ 101 Abs. 2 UrhG) Thousands requirement for compensation are speaking another version of your post!!!
Internet provider normally saving IPs for seven days. This is a short time to investigate IPholders but it is possible!!

hefty

[essexman1971]

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in germany it is not allowed to save IP data at the moment.
they must get you just in time, you are conneted and ask the provider for the user, but so quick they will not get a response

[superhefty]

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@rpl

I wrote "in Germany".
Cardsharing is still forbidden in Germany.

hefty

[superhefty]

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You mean the Data logged by Vorratsdatenspeicherung. The Bundesverfassungsgericht limited the Usafge of the logged Data in 2008 for using only in massive crime investigation. These Files are deleted.

But there is also the Auskunftsanspruch of for example copyrightholders direct to the provider.
Providers are logging a few days, believe me

hefty

[rpl]

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It ist not allowed to share one card in perhaps two rooms in the same household.

Actualy not exacly

There are devices called Spliters that can be use in one household, but if you connect your neighbour it’s illegal.Spliters don’t work with NDS, and nagra, but they work fine with Seca.

In Poland Cyfra+ see the fenomen and is allowing for that, but they are trying to counteract whit option multiroom but it’s very inconvenient to use.

Few years ago (2006) police try to fight with CS, and they had very spectacular success.
The police started to monitor neetwork, but not the IP traffic they are not allow to do that, we aren’t leaving in USA where invigilacion is on every step. The police sart to monitor comunity such as sat boards and they were announcement, now they are forbiden on most of sites.
The point is that they find some servers and they close it, they were knocking to door at 6 AM and they confiscate the equipment, but they didin’t jail anyone. The problem in that is that the logs on the server are very important data like ip, times and ect.
As i mention it was a spectacular action so they mention that in media only to show police eficenty it was just PR.
In that time there was a panic, they were even metods of crypting comunication, protoctol caled jabbcamd was invented, crypted by jabber, but during the time the panic stoped, and the protocol was forgoten.

More importent than crypting comunication is to crypt data on drives, because sometimes it can be used as a prove.

[nebula2008]

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ok thanks for the answers but what would happen to the client what are the clients risks rather than the server risks or are they the same risks. has anyone been caught yet.

[fulbomba]

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is difficult to be caught but what would happen trouble